
Below are notes on listening, between Aug 6 and Sept 26, 2026, to the 64 hr 9 min audiobook, with the most recent notes at the top, followed by what I posted to Goodreads after my first print-edition read in Sept 2009 (17 years ago exactly). I’ll maintain the reverse order of the notes, but I also want to write something about the audiobook and making my way through the text again and will do so soon if all goes well. Surely some spoilers below but I can’t imagine anything would spoil your experience, considering the size and complexity of the novel, plus these notes are random, oblique, appreciative, pointing out minor details etc more than revealing for example that . . .
Finished the audiobook and listened to the Foreword about 5 miles into a 7.3-mile run on a cool drizzly morning. Gately on his back on the beach with the tide way out, waking up from the Clockwork Orange-like intervention, which I had to look up online to clarify when exactly that whole scene took place, which I had pretty much correct (it ends in the past, essentially Gately’s rock bottom, which he’s feverishly remembering as he’s in the hospital, refusing narcotic pain relief (oddly, the IG algorithm fed me a video about Jeff Tweedy accepting pain relief while in the hospital 20 years after recovering, as though IG is even listening to the audiobooks you’re listening to).
The Foreword irked me occasionally with its so-very-online ideologies but recovered by the end, expressing respect for and communion with all those who’ve made it through the book. Also liked her comment on an apparent increase in mental acuity while reading the book, something I’ve also associated with DFW, one of the few prose styles that seems to involve an intelligence that could be termed viral.
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The only pro actor in Himself’s films, known for his work as an endocrine gland in a commercial, is from Glen Riddle, PA, which is very near where I live. As I listened to that section I was running on the Chester Creek Trail, really close to Glenn Riddle (I added a circle on the map below to estimate where I was running as I listened to that part). Really really weird. Was it an oblique message from the beyond or simply a coincidence? The only correct answer is YES! (I really wish I had read this when I lived in Boston, though.)

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Had trouble paying attention to the gambling section involving Yale vs Brown men’s hoops — seemed like a rehearsal for the big dance number at the end that’s expected to arrive when the rehab house, tennis academy, and separatists come together in a struggle for the Entertainment.
Surprising and not particularly positive mention of the Grateful Dead (last fan extant). Later, a longer section about Deadheads getting together to perform stereotypical activities among black-lite posters of involuted geometrics etc.
These static bed-bound inner monologues from Gately and Hal toward the end I suppose suggest Molly Bloom but just kinda.
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(It’s occurring to me more and more that the audiobook narrator Sean Pratt should receive a Nobel Prize for his work on this thing. Haven’t listened to the interview linked to in the previous sentence yet but am looking forward to it.)
“It’s your ass, Ace!”
The whole marketing campaign meeting for the anti-Entertainment character and ads seems like a “Mr Squishy” prototype. And the subtext comes to the surface: hey, kids, don’t be like your parents zombified in front of the boob tube, don’t even look at the TV, do something else, like, say, read an enormous entertaining ingenious novel in part about the seductions of and addictions to TV.
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Not much memory from the first read of the engaging wraith figurant conversation with Gately in hospital bed in feverish non-narcotic-killed pain, particularly the bits about Norm on “Cheers.”
Gately’s intimate JVD dream calls back to Winston Churchill from around the initial description of JVD’s veil as she walks in Boston Gardens and the intro of the Union of the Hideously and Improbably Deformed (UHID), also somehow calls back to The Entertainment.
Fun (and probably self-referentially significant in terms of thematic shorthand) of ghost words he hears in his head without having ever uttered or known the meaning of including chiaroscuro, bricolage, scopophilia, gerrymander.
Generally, at this stage in the book (~9 to 7 hours left), these bed-bound fever dream backstory bits aren’t exactly amping up the action, but that’s OK. They’re serving to increase the suspense for a hilarious horrific fifth act involving the Entertainment being viewed at the Enfield House, maybe with Hal on hand. At least that’s the expectation, how it feels things are building up for the big dance number at the end, even if it “resolves off stage” — like in Hamlet, all the players eventually make their way to the house and view the Entertainment, etc, until Mario (probably) figures out what’s going on after recognizing MP’s voice and somehow gets someone to turn the house’s power off. A Laertes (one of the ghost words mentioned above, along with Poor Yorick) then mops everything up? John Wayne (no-nonsense foreigner)? Ortho Stice (Hal’s opponent)?
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More paternal incestuous pedo content, this time limited to ideation, MP/JVD/Lucille Duquette’s dad, how she came to wear the veil. The most slapsticky, cartoonish, black humorest scene since Himself’s last microwave meal, with MP/JVD/LD’s mom eliminating her map ingeniously with a household appliance. What does it say about our protagonists if so many share this fairly uncommon fact in common?
Eerie simultaneity of the inner infant bear support group scene, with the featured sufferer being none other than the brother of Orin’s friend who he used to do drugs with, whose father died when a news helicopter crashed atop him. This, a day or two after a news helicopter crash in LA. (My child also often wearing T-shirts with helicopters on them, thanks to the generosity of grandma.)
And then Gately’s mom suctioned into the sky by the pointy maw of a tornado (at least it wasn’t an electric can opener). But generally at this point some of these bits seem to be going on too long. DFW’s cruising altitude is still really high, and it’s worthwhile of course to keep an ear out for callbacks/Easter eggs, but it makes me wonder about the ~400 pages cut from publication. I would of course purchase a two or three volume paperback with those pages included, sort of like the second volume of A Man Without Qualities, where the quality seems to spin out after a few hundred pages.
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LOL’d at the explanation of maternal affection having something to do with making up for an unremembered memory of having murdered the child in the child’s previous life, regarding IJ #5 or #6 featuring nude pregnant MP maybe with a knife, the one who kills you but gives birth to you in your next life. Eternal circulation of birth and death = IJ’s metempsychotic gist (regarding the play within the play, or the entertainment within the entertainment).
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The conversations between Hal and Mario are the best, how simple and sweet and sincere Mario is, how Hal calls him “Boo,” how the audiobook reader for what feels like the first time running with an extended stretch of Hal speech matches the tone of the narrative voice, which seems like an excellent choice. Had to rewind it back 15 seconds a few times when the conversation between Hal and Mario (about how the only real monsters are liars you can’t tell are lying) slipped without apparent transition, at least in the audiobook (in my print copy, on page 774, there’s a white space), to Marathe and a drunk woman named Katherine, at a jazz club bar with Marathe telling a sympathetic story about his skull-less spinal fluid incontinent wife to win over the drunk woman so he can test out The Entertainment cartridge on her (ie, Marathe’s deception is monstrous).
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I emitted a decent empathic-type AHHHH at JVD’s observation at the Incandenza Thanksgiving dinner of a food bowl placed under the table despite no evidence of a dog. RIP S. Johnson — but more so, it’s one of those subtle callbacks that tightens the connection between reader and writer, tightens the novel up too, an Easter egg slipped in there if you’re paying attention, but it’s also just a really sweet detail, characterizing the Moms even more.
Marathe may have been inspired by the French hockey coach in DeLillo’s Amazons? The Enfield Tennis Academy acronym (ETA) pronounced sounds like the word for state in French (État) or maybe tidal channel (étier)?
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The samizdat entertainment’s discovery in pawn shop concealed in footnote 300 after a long lower-level stretch involving Randy Lenz, one of the few weakly characterized characters, or at least one I have the most difficulty hanging with, not because the prose is difficult or anything, just because the story seems less interesting or the connection with everything less obvious. Funny that he thinks, paranoid from cocaine abuse, that he’s being followed by people walking ahead of him with little lenses attached to the frames of their glasses. But still.
Also, a footnote about Joelle Van Dyne’s use of dated un-PC term for black folk makes it clear that DFW is using dated un-PC or offensive (in sections from Gately’s POV) terms intentionally to characterize. Pretty easy for casual readers to see or hear these words and just think the author is sexist, racist, homophobic etc, when it’s explicitly stated, albeit in a footnote some 45 hours into the book, that they’re included, again, to characterize.
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Like with Louis CK’s recurrent pedophiliac molestation jokes, the recurrent instances of fathers entering bedrooms in the middle of the night and well um y’know throat clearing makes me wonder if anything similar ever happened to the author when young. The scene with Michael Pemulis’s brother Mickey just seemed excessive, echoing the Raquel Welch scene.
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Poor S. Johnson reduced to a nubbin’.
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Felt like I’d entered a lull or concavity with the focus on deLint for a while, alternately with Steeply and Marathe, extended stretches for a few days of listening that felt lesser than before, when my attention seemed to be lagging, but then there was the big fight scene that went on forever wonderfully, and then back to back sections with Geoffrey Day talking about the black shape of his depression with Kate Gompert at 3 am that’s the finest section or the worst section (in terms of seeming autobiographical and presaging the author’s fate — the author whose bio sort of rhymes with Day’s at least in terms of did really well at an elite east coast university), followed immediately by the Hal’s chess match on the run against the Darkness as Steeply tries to sweet talk deLint into interviewing Hal about Orin. Feels so good now that some of these threads are coming together, and the tennis descriptions here seem less like metaphor for writing than a nod to DeLillo’s End Zone (long chapter describing in detail a football game).
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“the man was so cross-eyed he could stand in the middle of the week and see both Sundays.”
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“its black has the bottomless quality of water at night.” <– sweet description of a 1964 Ford Aventura
Cool to see an old division of the publisher I’ve worked for for nearly 20 years mentioned in footnote 208. (Company is also mentioned in Gravity’s Rainbow.)
Mastering the “world within the world” related to tennis occurring not just between the lines but in one’s mind feels like it relates to fiction writing or artistic creation, as do nearly all extended tennis-related lessons. Need to find these quotations in the print edition (I’m approaching page 500).
Everything with Marathe and the wheelchair terrorists is more difficult to follow, in part because it’s removed from the central location of Boston and is mostly dialogue.
The similarity of the names Steeply and Gately compel comparison — both derive from Softly, Billy Twillig’s mentor in DeLillo’s Ratner’s Star. (DFW marked up his copy and wrote the name in large print and circled it on the front matter.)
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I think on first read I confused the horrific Raquel Welch mask passages with the Aetna employee with Mario and Himself, which would’ve massively darkened the whole Incandenza family.
The AA sections about self-pity and denial, about how the Boston AA audience only responds to truth and disapproves of anything else, all that is why this book deserves its reputation — there’s nothing funny or zany about these pages, they’re just insightful and emerge over time through example after example of testimonies, a perfect polyphonic form.
Matthew McConaughey needs to play Lyle in the serial televised adaption. Would love to hear him say the line: “The truth will set you free but not until it is finished with you.”
Although the reader renders President Johnny Gentle’s voice akin to Bill Clinton’s, there are some intriguing presage-grade parallels with Trump: the general exaggeration of or ridiculous extrapolation out from Reagan to a sleazy crooner entertainer/Vegas promoter obsessed with cleanliness, the first president to curse (and use “boss” as an adjective), the desire to dissolve NATO, making (North) America great again via cleaning up those borders with Mexico and Canada. Not to mention a dispute with our new enemy ally Canada, a meth-addicted president who makes no sense. Also funny about Interlace, this theoretical on-demand media distribution service that wipes out traditional advertising . . .
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Orin’s transformation from tennis player to punter to winning over the PGOAT may be the most enjoyable, straightforward stretch so far.
Eschaton as a game involving lobs and a synonym for Cold War is a term of intrigue creating some narrative drive to find out what it’s about (not something I probably would’ve noticed on first read)
Extension of common phrase to something more particular and fun: “The personal is the political is the psychopathological.”
Just looked at print edition to see where I am in the book and realized that the long phone conversation between Hal and Orin that I listened to on an hour-run this morning was mostly footnote #111 circa page 310. I wonder how much of that footnote I read the first time when reading the actual book — so frustrating to hope to get to an end of a section before going to bed etc and then confronting a 15-page footnote in small type.
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“Something smells delicious!” Great timing/perfect punchline.
Dictionary definition of dark humor, how Himself eliminated his map (all these nicknames and euphemisms so well established, secret language/bond b/w writer and reader)
All parts about tennis seem metafictional — that is, about writing or commentary on the book itself.
Love every mention of John Wayne, the affectless all-star destined for The Show.
Noted mention of Sierpinski gasket but don’t remember the context.
Long section on tattoos. Sections lengthening.
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Will be interesting to see if the elaborate description of the roof of the MIT building compared to a brain etc returns in some meaningful way. Sections really seeming to open up more, the language loosening in the Madame Psychosis (Mary Karr voice) introduction radio section, pictured DFW poring over his Dorland’s medical encyclopedia to construct the litany. Mario as moral center of novel who does what’s right because it’s the right thing to do. Polyphonic structure too with the AA testimonies. The zones of the court are established and now it’s all about vectors among them.
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Videophones section seems perfectly prescient w/r/t how many now prefer aural-only telephonic communication over Facetime, and the whole mask thing was prophetic w/r/t filtering on videocalls. But generally now the sections seem like they’re opening up a little, the waves are getting bigger out on the deep ocean, our anchor characters like Hal and James O. well established, the settings set, with the Enfield Tennis Academy established and Ennet House coming into view, the Arizona desert too.
“Urine need? Urine luck!” (Michael Pemulis of Allston so well characterized — his surname not significant in Greek etc but an anagram of “Impluse”)
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This bit struck me as suggestive of the novel’s structure, in the context of a recurring dream of a tennis court the size of a football field: “The lines that bound and define play are on this court as complex and convolved as a sculpture of string. There are lines going every which way, and they run oblique or meet and form relationships and boxes and rivers and tributaries and systems inside systems: lines, corners, alleys, and angles deliquesce into a blur at the horizon of the distant net.”
Kate Gompert is such a moving figure in this because she’s clearly a mouthpiece or vessel for DFW’s own experience with clinical depression and suicidal ideation — the feeling of nausea, like feeling “sick to your stomach” in every pore of one’s body and not so much wanting to hurt oneself as to put the hurt to an end. These passages are a major part for the novel’s reputation, more so than, say, the whole Quebecois resistance thread with Steeply and Marathe, which I find a lot less engaging.
The whole bit with Gerhardt Schtitt about tennis, what Mario calls “chess on the run,” can easily be interpreted as some damn fine writing about writing itself, with the opponent in tennis akin to the reader. “The competing boy on the net’s other side: he is not the foe: he is more the partner in the dance. He is the … occasion for meeting the self. As you are his occasion.”
Footnote 37: “wheelchair”
Lemon Pledge as sunscreen.
Murathe and Stately achieve Platonic dialogue level philosophical conversation about love, attention, egoism, the self. Murathe saying you must actively choose the target of your attention otherwise you are essentially a slave to the self — passages of huge thematic importance in a book about addiction and entertainment (“Bob Hope,” the famous entertainer, the code word for super-strong weed).
First big percussive LOL of the listen, paraphrasing here: What do you do when your opponent is kertwanging/cheating (calling balls out that are clearly in) and there are no witnesses? You do nothing but smile and if you win your soul grows but if you lose you foul his private water supply before his next match.
Hal with a dip of Kodiak, signaling stand-in for the author.
Schtitt’s “what do you have to give?” Meaning what will you sacrifice to “hop plateaus” on one level but also, meta-interpretation-wise about writing, how generous can you be with readers? What (quality/quantity) do you have to give a reader? (Brief Interviews with Hideous Men is mainly about the dynamics of generosity/giving/getting.) The passages about the program’s tacit creation of a common enemy for the students are top notch, in that they transcend the book. And the whole bit about achieving a reasonable plateau and then protecting against one’s limitations in the plateau and saying you just play for the love of the game etc — instead of overcoming limitations/weakness that better players learn to exploit and hopping to the next plateau — seems all about dynamics related to the justifications of mediocrity, be it artistic or professional or really any sort of reasonable rut you find yourself in. My attention really honed in on those lines, for obvious reasons, thinking about eras of pleasurable stagnation or acceptance of my current level in guitar playing or writing, but again it really applies to anything, relationships, psych/physical fitness, whatever.
In the slurry of characters, most of them extraordinarily well-characterized and with their character peculiarities consistently reinforced, on my initial read I didn’t see Mario clearly until he’s fully described much later in the book — this time, listening to it, I’m looking out for Mario descriptions and it’s clear now a few hours into the 60+ hour audiobook that Mario is differently formed — he’s not yet been fully described but the image is coming together from details, like the students tired after showers looking like they’re composed of different body parts, with the enormous legs and one hypertrophic forearm and farmer tans, with parts of their legs and arms achieving the color of a catcher’s mitt.
And then there’s Lyle, the yogi in full lotus position wearing a tank top that says “transcend” on the front and Deus Providebit (“God Will Provide”) on the back, levitating a full meter above the towel dispenser (DFW when in Boston had worked at the front desk of a gym dispensing towels), with his rough cat-like tongue, subsisting on licks of sweat off student arms and foreheads he takes in exchange for exercise advice with spiritual metaphorical and maybe even metafictional overtones like “Let not the weight thou wouldst pull to thyself exceed thine own weight.”
Loved also the bits about the younger kids being able to “hang” with the older kids or in general — suggests to a reader that if you want to be like these cool upperclassman you too will learn to hang, that is, will hang with a novel that is fundamentally structured (the way the program is carefully structured) to avoid the conventions of formulaic entertainment.
August 5, 2026: Started listening to the audiobook, just dipping my toes in to see how the water feels, considering it’s 60+ hours, and oh right away it was just what I needed to hear. The opening interview so good interspersed with the backstory about that fungus from the basement and “I ate this!” and the Moms’ panic. And then Hal at 10, the therapist, reciting the complete OED definition of “implore,” the line “I thought you wanted to talk about racy mosaics” (Hal is apparently interested in Byzantine erotica), and then the therapist’s nose falling off as he spits pure pyrotechnical language, revealed as Himself. All of it just so good. The weed section. The Saudi attache having dinner and watching his serial cartridge, introducing the Quebecois secessionist thread. The “hit ’em with a hanger / lay down wit” section still seems totally anomalous, a black voice in an exceedingly white (love how the audiobook reader pronounces it “wah-hite”) book, looking forward to figuring out how that fits. Won’t write down every section but I do intend to write some notes here when they occur to me as I listen in August and September, somehow 17 years after my initial read.
Original review of first read from September 20, 2009
Six stars minus one because I feel like DFW wanted it that way, that he (who can clearly do anything) consciously engineered its lackluster end — “a failed entertainment” was the original subtitle.
Sometimes thought it was as good as it gets, sometimes better than the best it gets. Other times I was lost but cruising ahead to get to the good as it gets parts. Disappointed in the last 100 pages or so. Wasn’t into the footnotes. I think it’s intentionally constructed to “fail,” to let the reader down as an “entertainment,” to create in the reader the sort of sadness that comes with unfulfilled expectations, a sadness felt by all the characters, a fundamentally American sadness that’s the jester’s gist?
The book is structured (DFW says it’s structured like a Sierpinski Gasket) like the Eschaton game played at the tennis academy, a game based on a NORAD nuclear wargame simulation. No winners, impossibly complicated, massive (fictional) destruction everywhere.
Loved the characters. Loved the more conventional scenes. Loved the discursive parts re: depression, suicide, marijuana addiction. Loved the endlessly creative digressions, even when endlessly horrific. Loved the play on the oft-parodied Bergman playing-chess-with-Death thing: here it’s Hal playing chess on the run (ie, tennis) with Ortho “The Darkness” Stice in all-black Fila gear. Loved that “Madame Psychosis” suggests that significant word in Ulysses (“metempsychosis”). Loved, most of all, the simple writerly descriptions, the kick-ass similes, the good ol’ artistic amplification of perception. Loved that Mario isn’t fully described til about page 610 (listening to it again, he’s described partially in bed talking to Hal early on and described in more detail riding in the sidecar with the German tennis instructor Gerhardt Schtitt). Could go on endlessly about awesome qualities, and could definitely go on for a bit about its drawbacks (beyond the ebonics section) . . .
In 1997, I almost bought a signed first edition hard cover in a Barnes and Noble in downtown Boston. Should’ve. Alas. Hmmm. Ultimately: lots and lots of love for this but also feel let down a little. And whether it’s intentional or not, it’s still left me saddened, the way the story sort of falls off toward the end, sort of like what’s happened to everyone’s expectations of a lifetime of reading new essays and novels and stories by the man, which I guess is also what happens to everyone’s expectations for everything as they age and inevitably die?
Also, it needs to be said that while walking home from work reading IJ, while waiting for a light to change, some mid-20s nerd-chic bicyclist (surely a recent liberal arts school english major grad) passed me then doublebacked and accompanied me as I crossed the street, asking what section I was on, saying it was his favorite book, he’d read it a bunch of times — it almost seemed like he wanted to hug me for reading it while walking across Washington Avenue (a very uncommon demonstration of bookish brotherly love in Philadelphia — and a really good indication of this book’s greatness).
It’s definitely a book that fills the world, enhances perception, introduces into one’s e-mails extraneous conversational mimetic tics like sort of and kind of and and so but then. Addictive prose styling. Funny that “funny” isn’t really among the top 10 adjectives I’d use to describe this, though there are some serious LOLs.
Anyway, really excellently awesome and over- and underwhelming in a (I think intentionally) heartbreaking way: after 981 pages plus footnotes you’re left on the beach with the tide way out (DFW apparently loved Larkin and Larkin’s most famous lines are probably: “They fuck you up, your mum and dad . . . Man hands on misery to man. It deepens like a coastal shelf. Get out as early as you can, And don’t have any kids yourself”: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/48419/this-be-the-verse
Easily one of my favorite contemporary writers before I read this, which only advanced his standing in the LK canon.
Required listening: http://www.kcrw.com/etc/programs/bw/b…
Definitely must re-read one day . . .
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